02-08-24 A Letter From Our Servant Leaders

02-08-24 A Letter From Our Servant Leaders

02-08-24 A Letter From Our Servant Leaders 1200 1200 SVDP USA

There are several topics which immediately start arguments among Vincentians when written about in this space. I wish I could tell you some of them but, you know, it would start the process! However, I will broach one topic because there is an immediate need for some guidance: our logo.

Specifically, I have received recent questions about changing the national Society logo by replacing “USA” in the outer ring with a local identifier, usually a city name. So, let’s dive into some of the rules around this that protect the Society and help us to know who’s who.

First, please recognize that the logo (or “mark” in legal terms) is intellectual property owned by the National Council as a trademark. We have spent literally several hundred thousand dollars to protect its value from outside groups that want to use our name or logo image for their businesses or products. Usually this is a parish, a former Conference that is now a parish group serving the poor, or another Catholic organization that wants to use St. Vincent’s name. We own the rights to use both St. Vincent’s and Frédéric Ozanam’s name for specific business categories such as shelters, food pantries, thrift stores, and generally services for the poor. Another group can use these names in unprotected properties such as hospitals, schools, or even used car lots if they so desire.

If we allow for our logo, the circle with the SVdP letters and an outer ring with “USA” in it, to be changed even by our own members, then legally it becomes more open to changes by outside groups. Considering the economic value our logo has to identify the Society nationally and locally for our goods and services, we need to protect it any way we must to preserve our rights.

If a Council or Conference wishes to make any changes to the national logo, they must have written permission from the National CEO. This helps us to maintain the relevant legal records and places some accountability to preserve the mark as noted above. This is a fairly simple process of exchanging emails with me, including a sample of the desired changes.

What can be authorized? First, I won’t approve any new logo that isn’t a version of our current standard national logo. While we indeed have some of these already in certain cities/dioceses, I truly wish we didn’t in order to maintain a common look and identity for the Society across the country. We could argue the effects, but my position is that alternative logos weaken our brand. Let’s be One Society.

Second, I normally don’t approve a change to our logo for a Conference or a special work. We reserve the city identifiers in the outer ring to Councils, usually with a city/diocese name replacing the USA in the lower part of the outer ring. Separate Conference logos within a Council confuse the public, who may think they are separate legal entities, and often don’t adequately identify the service area anyway. Conferences, stores, and other businesses/service can use a separate name to help identify themselves in text alongside the logo, but not through changes in the approved national logo itself. The exception to this policy may occur when a Conference is separately incorporated, which is uncommon but useful for some liability and other business reasons. The general rule I follow is that altered logos must flow from an incorporated entity, which is usually the Council.

There are also practical reasons for limiting changes. We presently have the event where several parishes, and then Conferences, are merged. There are rules for renaming the new Conference that I won’t go into here, but in some cases the new entity combines the names of the merging Conferences. These longer names won’t fit in the national logo’s available space!

Our Vincentians are certainly creative, so I am also asked for permission to create an event-based logo, such as for a Friends for the Poor Walk. This involves another basic rule for trademark protection, involving legal definitions of an alteration. Basically, no new element is allowed to touch the current logo image such as an added ring, placing the logo on the front of another image like a house, or adding a new element like a hat, angel wings, or whatever. The logo can be placed within such an image, but it can’t touch anywhere, as this is the same legally as an entirely new logo. Before you ask, I don’t approve an outer ring that floats around the current circle, as this is still considered one image.

You may wonder why the CEO needs to be bothered with these details among many other priorities. Ask yourself how you feel when someone calls you by a different name, even if it’s Bobby instead of Robert, or Big Jim instead of simply Jim. Imagine how it would then feel if someone else stole your name and then your appearance! Our Society’s name is important to the understanding of our identity, and in the case of any nonprofit’s logo, our ability to attract volunteers and funds. It all starts with a common identity, including the logo. What’s in a name? Only everything.

Yours in Christ,
Dave Barringer
National CEO

 

13 Comments
  • Totally agree with every word!

  • I usually do not respond or leave messages on issues like this, BUT – Congratulations and Yippie for standing up in defense of the official logo. Any blatant opportunity for getting your own name attached should never be allowed.
    Jim Craig

  • A vey thought full explanation of the Value of our svdp logo. Yes, we are all one.

  • Good explanation, Dave. Our St. Vincent de Paul logo has served us well for many years and continues to do so. I believe that our national logo, aside from the legal implications that you so eloquently explained, has become a symbol of unity toward a common goal Replacing “USA” with a local identifier would be a dangerous precedent, left open to misinterpretation. in my opinion.

  • Good explanation, Dave. Our St. Vincent de Paul logo has served us well for many years and continues to do so. I believe that our national logo, aside from the legal implications that you so eloquently explained, has become a symbol of unity toward a common goal. Replacing “USA” with a local identifier would be a dangerous precedent, left open to misinterpretation. in my opinion.

  • Although we are all different branches of SVDP, we are all United as one Society! To deviate from that , IMO, takes away from the strength and identity of the National Soociety. Besides all the legal ramifications, to change the logo is just silly!

  • Hi there! I appreciate your argument, but Isn’t a main aspect of SVdP the local nature and individual identity of each conference? We are all responsible for our own fundraising (even potentially competing with the Council), grant writing, recruiting, advertising, thank you letters, “team” morale, etc. Conferences aren’t required to have the same guidelines. Conferences don’t serve the same Neighbors, nor do we get our home visit assignments from the Council, but via our own call taker on a phone number we provide.. I ask then, given that personalized logos are already ubiquitous, wouldn’t there be room for the CENTER CIRCLE logo to be the corporate identity, with the outer ring customizable — but APPROVED by SVdP USA? (Full disclosure…I say all this, having just finally figured out how to add circular text in a new logo for our conference…I thought it was allowed, as they are common online! My Vincentians were very excited to see our parish name in the ring!) I honestly don’t think it’s a difficult legal argument to make: if you’re not affiliated with SVdP, you can’t use an unapproved logo. Yes, we are one Society, one Body…but many varied parts…I argue there is room for logos to be personalized. (What is your email address? I’d like to send our proposed awesome logo to you anyway, as it can’t hurt to ask, right?)

  • Well said Brother!

  • JOSEPH A PRIOLI JR February 11, 2024 at 5:23 am

    Amen! Leave it be!

  • As a Vincentian and former IP attorney – thank you! It is so important to preserve the brand.

  • As a Vincentian and former trademark attorney – thank you! It is so important to preserve the brand.

  • as a 20 year Vincentian, I am appalled at the thought of changes to our logo! This is who we are–. Would you change the flag of our country? Change is not always better.

  • While I typically don’t comment on matters like this, I just wanted to say congratulations and kudos for defending the official logo. It’s important to resist any attempts to capitalize on such opportunities for personal gain.

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